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Average Registration Time and Cost

How long will it take to get a registration? How much will it cost? We get asked these questions every day. We have used the full data from our registration database to answer these questions.

Through these graphs you can see global financial crises, the rise and fall of resource pricing and the effect of employees taking leave from and returning to their jurisdictions.

In our experience, registration times, fees and overall stress level vary on 3 key variables: Most importantly who the review engineer is, secondly the complexity of the job and finally the province it is being registered in. The graphs here examine only the last and least important variable so the results can only be used generally.
Graph of CRN review volume by province.
The 2907 completed registrations shown in this graph clearly show both the global financial crisis affecting all provinces combined with changes in resource pricing affecting fewer provinces, both happening at approximately the same time. As of late 2012, our CRN registration volume has finally recovered to the levels seen before the crash of 2008.

Why so many more jobs in Ontario than anywhere else? Although most provincial engineering societies have tried, TSSA was told by PEO, and agreed to only let local Ontario engineers sign off on vessels registered in Ontario. This is unique in the world of pressure vessels and is the age old local engineer vs specialized engineer argument.  Regardless of how you feel about this, we provide review and P. Eng. stamping services for many customers who are able to deal with the other jurisdictions on their own.  More information on the Ontario only registration requirement can be found in this letter to the editor of Engineering Dimensions, Ontario’s Professional Engineers magazine:

PEO Protectionism

Michael Mastromatteo’s article discusses the challenges PEO has in regulating projects outsourced to other countries. It does not discuss another side–the problems out of-province and international manufacturers have in getting their mass-produced products that they ship worldwide into the Ontario market. My industry – pressure vessel manufacturing – has recently been affected by PEO and its actions on engineering outsourcing.

Pressure vessels used in Ontario are designed and built to internationally recognized ASME standards. They are subject to Ontario Regulation 220/01–Boilers and Pressure Vessels that states, “The design for a boiler or pressure vessel shall bear the signature and seal of a professional engineer who is experienced in the design of boilers, pressure vessels, piping or fittings.” Gordon Sterling, P.Eng., then President of PEO, wrote a letter in April 2001 to the Technical Standards and Safety Authority (TSSA), stating: “While we acknowledge that many professional engineers outside of Ontario may have the appropriate skills to design boilers and pressure vessels, they are still required to be licensed by PEO to ensure that they are accountable to the people of Ontario through the Professional Engineers Act.”

TSSA, who regulates pressure vessels, from the simple mass-produced air receiver found in a home garage, to the giant custom industrial vessels, now only registers new or modified pressure vessel designs sealed by an Ontario engineer’s stamp. Prior to 2001, engineers licensed in other provinces or countries could get their designs registered for use in Ontario.

Although Ontario is the only place in North American to have such a requirement, this would not stop others doing the same. In the worst nightmare scenario, all the other states/provinces would create legislation to allow them to do what we have done: a vessel design would require about 60 engineers’ stamps to gain access to the North American market. Although I cannot imagine this happening, others would only be doing what we have done first.

When we look at outsourcing, we must get past the not-engineered-in-Ontario mentality, and accept that other engineers in the world are capable of doing engineering work with the safety of the public at heart.

Laurence Brundrett, P.Eng., Waterloo, ON

Published: May/June 2004 issue, Engineering Dimensions magazine

Our Ontario volume is also affected by our location – we are also located in Ontario and get involved in Ontario maintenance and construction jobs.

Graph of average review times.
Registration times are the most contentious aspect of the CRN process. The above chart is an average per jurisdiction. Times are total from submission date to receipt of CRN. Included is all time taken by the jurisdiction and the time taken by us and our customers to answer all questions.  Also keep in mind that review times change with the assigned reviewer and with the complexity of the job. A typical chart for one province looks like this (real data):

A graph of the review times for a typical province

Averaging the data makes it much more understandable, but unfortunately hides important variances in the data.